- Satellite Collides into Radio Hall Building in Akihabara
- The Hidden Meanings behind the Steins;Gate Logo + Minecraft Skins
- Question: Who is Daru’s future wife (Suzuha’s mother)?
- Heroine Q&A Interview with Naotaka Hayashi Scenario writer of Steins;Gate
- Details and Facts About the Divergence Meter & Reading Steiner
- Attractor Field Theory, World Lines Explained
Really cool ^~^ But Cern’s dystopia should be in β world line, he later moved back to α
world line where he sacrificed Kurisu-san for Mayuri-san.
Opps sorry, saw it wrong. The diagram is perfect ^^
Good stuff, explains the story nice and clearly.
I always wondered if events in a world line (such as death) could be averted? Is that an ironclad rule? I wonder how this was discovered. I always thought that perhaps some could be spared if they were say put into a medically induced death state prior to the time thay were fated to ‘die’ and then brought out of it? I actually thought that might have been another way to save Mayuri.
If you didn’t manage to change world lines, the attractor field convergence would probably just have something go wrong and kill them during the medically induced death state. That’s a pretty precarious state to be in anyway, so it’s a bit like suggesting keeping yourself safe from an earthquake by getting into a helicopter – except by the way there’s a live tiger in the helicopter and no pilot.
Towards the beginning of the story, John Titor says that changing the fate of a single human’s death would change the attractor field divergence by some incredibly small number. I think in a specific world line, there are all sorts of slightly different possibilities, and it would be possible to stop a regular person’s death through time travel (or time leaping) while staying in the same world line. Even when Rintarou tried to stop Mayuri’s death by time leaping, he is able to change divergence slightly (in that he changes the manner of her death); however, given that Mayuri, because of her being a lab mem, is central to the trajectory of the alpha world line, her death is impossible to avert in that manner, and it requires a much larger change in divergence to save her (i.e., a change in world lines).
I hv a theory of my own about World Line…
Every time a D-Mail is sent to the past…
The original timeline is overlapped by the new timeline due to the divergence point… Whereas Reading Steiner occurs…
Therefore, erased the previous timeline…
The idea of many World Lines is a bit too much for me, so there’s only ONE World Line(Timeline) for my theory…
Its funny but the Attractor Field Theory actually existed before Steins;Gate every came out. It’s relative to chaos theory.
“The study of chaos arose out of the discovery of attractor patterns, or attractor fields. Attractors exist in what physicists called phase space, an abstract reality beyond our three-dimensional experience. Attractor fields are highly organized energy fields that ‘magnetically’ pull everything in a given system toward it.”
http://consciousnessproject.org/articles/chaos-theory-nonlinear-dynamics/
This has been around for a while prior to 2009.
I always wondered eg. whether Kurisu keeps existing in a reality even after Okarin “leaves” it to jump to a new forked reality (or timeline) (after using D-mail). And if there’d then be two Okarins in the two timelines with identical memories – only that just one of them feels the world line changing… Hmm, and/or when using time leap, Okarin practically makes a copy of his mind and sends it to the past, still existing in the original time and place. And that Okarin would probably think that it didn’t work, because he’s still there even though with all the previous times, he leaped to past. Then he’d try using the time leap machine again, creating another reality. Doesn’t really matter since the realities have nothing to do with each other. There are endless amounts of them, and the story focuses on one path.
I’m probably wrong, and that’s not what it’s supposed to be. The previous reality gets erased and rebuilt, there’s only one world line. Still, Kurisu said something when she agreed to sacrifice herself… The billions of timelines are still there somewhere, and so are the people on some level.
Ah, it’s all much more complicated when you start thinking about it.
Can someone explain how the last Dmail was undone? After undoing Moeka’s Dmail, they got the IBN 5100. This allowed them to hack SERN and delete their information to stop them from stalking the lab. How did this lead to a world line jump into a world in which Kurisu dies?
From what I remember, you can only change world lines by changing the past. This requires either 1) Dmailing, 2) Time leaping, or 3) going in the time machine.
They did none of these, yet somehow the past was still changed.
Your question kind of confused me more and I thought I had finally figured all of it out.
From what I understand is that timeline Alpha and timeline Beta should actually be referred as attractor field Alpha and attractor field Beta and the timelines are inside those attractor fields.
They were “originally and always” supposed to be in field Beta (the field where Kurisu dies).
Which means that no matter what timeline the went to, while they were in that field Kurisu would still die no matter what.
Because Okabe sent that first d-mail, it shifted them into attractor field Alpha. (Where Kurisu’s fate is changed and thus she lives and joins the lab). This is where we end up with different world lines like the one where Moeka sends the d-mail.
When they get the IBN and erase the first d-mail from the database, it’s like nothing happened in the first place.
(Okabe will remember all of this happening because he went through all the timelines but no one else will.)
Because nothing happens with any d-mails, they’ll be shifted back to field Beta where Kurisu is destined to die. Their “original” field.
They changed the pasts of the timelines in field Alpha but they technically never changed the past of what was going to happen in field Beta.
(That is until the time machine lands in that field and they change their field to the one called Steins;Gate).
That is why he doesn’t need d-mail, time leap etc because he’s not really changing the past. It’s more of a rewind.
When the future Okabe talked to the past Okabe in ep. 23/24 his point was basically that you can’t undo the past, you can only shift into another place.
In this case his whole objective was to shift himself into Steins;Gate because there was no changing what had already happened.
I hope this makes any sense to you and that it can clear up something.
I may be wrong about some of these things but this is what I gathered.
This is why time travel is awesome because it’s so confusing lol.
The reason why deleting the first D-Mail switches Okabe back to the Beta world line is pretty complicated. What I’ve worked out is that in the Alpha world line Suzuha travels back into the past and destroys the building where Kurisu was supposed to die. Because of her interference, that event never happens. Suzuha’s objective was to bring the IBN to Okabe so that he could delete that first D-mail and prevent the bleak dystopian future under SERN rule. When Okabe succeeds in deleting this D-mail, he prevents the SERN-ruled future from ever happening. In this current world, Suzuha doesn’t travel back into the past to acquire the IBN since the dystopia doesn’t occur. Therefore, her interference doesn’t occur, which means that the event of Kurisu dying isn’t prevented. As a result of all these changes (and the fact that it all happened near a major convergence point) the world line itself changed. Complicated stuff, huh?
i believe by erasing the information from the IBM computer they are not changing the past but the future. it is no longer the dystopia future but the world war 3 future. which is why his reading steiner did not trigger and why everyone else stayed the same. i think that makes sense, do correct me if not, i am curious about all this and would like a complete answer myself
also when he sent the first d-mail and changed wolrdlines it caused suzuha’s time machine to crash land into the conference building aswell.